Gsurface
Mar 26 2003, 03:04 PM
I havent been up with the latest on power lines carrying internet access. Does it use Ethernet protocol? And what about security, I mean you can encrypt the data adding more bulk to the data, but its still out there, just like wireless. I imagine that would have to be a big project for engineers, trying to find a way to convince people that this is safe.
KelpFries
Mar 26 2003, 04:13 PM
I haven't heard about this G. Is this for real? How far along is this?
BlueScreenOfDeath
Mar 26 2003, 04:18 PM
its been floating around here and there... supposedly its suppose to carry super fast internet ... anywhere from 2 mb/sec to 12 gb/sec ...im guessin on 1 end u will have a AC adapter or something and at the end is the plug for the nic card... this would pretty much eliminate ISP's though ...cause then it would all be charged to the power company. I dunno not to much being said kelp
KelpFries
Mar 26 2003, 04:20 PM
Sounds intreging, theres no doubt i would love to have super fast internet. But if thats true, and it eliminates the ISP's, well, i dont know how it is where you are, but my electric co would charge an arm and a leg.
benwalburg
Mar 26 2003, 06:06 PM
yeah Linksys has "powerline" networking, which is 12mbs a second network over personal lan. Yeah, havn't heard news of companies offering internet over powerlines though
MemoryDump
Mar 26 2003, 06:41 PM
Yeah its called electranet.....j/k...trying out the spammers method of posting...
BlueScreenOfDeath
Mar 26 2003, 08:09 PM
lol funny lol ...not to sure if the ISPs would lease the lines as they do from cable companies or not ...i honestly think thats whats holding these ISP's back ..cable companies dont wanna lease the lines
Gsurface
Mar 27 2003, 12:37 AM
What about security reasons? Have you guys heard of EPON (Ethernet Passive Optical Networks), Its supposed to reduce the cost of Fiber to the home by eliminating the coupling connector that connects to the router, that routes allt he traffic from the sources (homes). It braodcast the same signal downward, so everyone gets that same signal, but uploading they use some polling algorytm with time division multiplexing. Anyway, this is one way that the power internet may work. But regardless, security is at risk here cause everyone gets the same message.
BlueScreenOfDeath
Mar 27 2003, 05:36 AM
firewalls will still work the same

u still have packet inspections
Gsurface
Mar 27 2003, 05:49 AM
firewalls? I mean, yeah they can protect you from any bad data coming into your pc, but what about data that you dont want anyone else to see. Since this it will be broadcasted, everyone will receive the same packets and the modem/device will filter out the packets that dont match the ip. But, say you tweak that device/modem so that you can see all the packets arriving. you guys see what i mean?
One of the Twelve
Mar 27 2003, 08:37 AM

Over powerlines

actually the electric companies are now providing fast speed internet services here in Finland, or are starting on it, on small testing areas.
This article posted some weeks ago, where people were driving around the streets of London catching data from WLAN's, gives the security personnel something to think about, seriously.
Well, my ISP raised my DSL speeds yesterday
for free, which is of course
excellent!
BlueScreenOfDeath
Mar 27 2003, 08:48 AM
yea i see what ur sayin G ...and again they might not go that road so it really depends on the bumps they encounter along the way.
Gsurface
Mar 27 2003, 02:35 PM
QUOTE(One of the Twelve @ Mar 27 2003, 08:37 AM)

Over powerlines

actually the electric companies are now providing fast speed internet services here in Finland, or are starting on it, on small testing areas.
This article posted some weeks ago, where people were driving around the streets of London catching data from WLAN's, gives the security personnel something to think about, seriously.
Well, my ISP raised my DSL speeds yesterday
for free, which is of course
excellent!
One, if only my dsl company would release how fast cable is taking over here, they would lower my price down to $10 a month and give me twice the speed.
How much did they increase your speeds to?
KelpFries
Mar 27 2003, 02:50 PM
DSL woes continue G?
Gsurface
Mar 27 2003, 02:53 PM
Actually Kelps, since like 2 days ago, it hasn't been as bad. I contacted earthlink and they say that they see nothing wrong with the line, but that they are going to do a more thorough search.
BlueScreenOfDeath
Mar 27 2003, 04:14 PM
G contact Earthlink and tell them to get their asses down here with some cable and DSL so i can switch from their dial up service
Gsurface
Mar 27 2003, 04:19 PM
QUOTE(BlueScreenOfDeath @ Mar 27 2003, 04:14 PM)
G contact Earthlink and tell them to get their asses down here with some cable and DSL so i can switch from their dial up service


, Will do!
B, have you looked into satellite internet providers like direct tv.?
KelpFries
Mar 27 2003, 04:33 PM
yeah blue, the directv satellite is very good now that its both up and down through the dish. Sucked when you could only get down and still had to use dial up for upload
Gsurface
Mar 27 2003, 04:43 PM
QUOTE(kelpfries @ Mar 27 2003, 04:33 PM)
yeah blue, the directv satellite is very good now that its both up and down through the dish. Sucked when you could only get down and still had to use dial up for upload
ohh yea i remember that. You had to keep an dialup connection on for upload, sucked. Everyone wrote alot of bad reviews on that. I problem with transmitting is that you need alot of power in able to do that, recieving is not really a problem.
Now they only have to work with the whole bad weather=no service issue, and maybe find a way to increase the bandwidth to match maybe cable speeds. There is also fixed wireless (oxymoron), where some providers can promise up to 15Mb/s, but like dsl, distance from the CO is a factor.
Mictlantecuhtli
Mar 27 2003, 04:45 PM
Looks like
PLC Forum is alive and well
KelpFries
Mar 27 2003, 04:49 PM
QUOTE(Gsurface @ Mar 27 2003, 11:43 AM)
QUOTE(kelpfries @ Mar 27 2003, 04:33 PM)
yeah blue, the directv satellite is very good now that its both up and down through the dish. Sucked when you could only get down and still had to use dial up for upload
ohh yea i remember that. You had to keep an dialup connection on for upload, sucked. Everyone wrote alot of bad reviews on that. I problem with transmitting is that you need alot of power in able to do that, recieving is not really a problem.
Now they only have to work with the whole bad weather=no service issue, and maybe find a way to increase the bandwidth to match maybe cable speeds. There is also fixed wireless (oxymoron), where some providers can promise up to 15Mb/s, but like dsl, distance from the CO is a factor.
Yeah, a little slow, only 400k down, a little less than basic dsl at 640k. But in remote areas, it sure beats the hell out of 56k! I have DirecTV satellite tv (not internet), and the bad weather issue only happens when there is a REALLY, REALLY bad storm. It goes out about 3 or 4 times a year, but only for a few minutes, so its not too bad.
QUOTE
Looks like
PLC Forum is alive and well

Nice find Mic!
BlueScreenOfDeath
Mar 27 2003, 05:25 PM
their satellite Internet is to damn expensive 69 bucks , no way
benwalburg
Mar 27 2003, 05:47 PM
Yeah my next door nieghbor had sat. internet....2 way, upgraded it when they brough cable down the private road last fall.
With tv's the signal isn't afected much with weather (compared to internet) we would try to use it when there was like any clouds (in michigan this is everyday) and we would get TERRIBLE download, like 50k - 100k which sucked for the price (70 bucks a month) Whenver it was raining bad, it didn't work at all, and they would use the backup dial account (which was more like the main source)
Also the home equipment for internet is a heck of a lot more than a $30-70 dollar cable modem.
KelpFries
Mar 27 2003, 06:04 PM
QUOTE(BlueScreenOfDeath @ Mar 27 2003, 12:25 PM)
their satellite Internet is to damn expensive 69 bucks , no way
Wow, is it that much? Thank god I have dsl!
BlueScreenOfDeath
Mar 28 2003, 06:56 AM
yea set up for satellite will break ur wallet
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