Ok guys... well i just got back from compusa with thermal paste... so i open up me case, pull the cpu out, clean it from the old junk, put on the new, put it in, lock it, put the fan on and turn on my comp. comp turns on... no green LED and i hear my comp blaring 'CPU FAILURE'... open up my case, pop the fan out, open the bracket to release the cpu... the cpu is stuck... so i pull on it gently, it falls into my hand, i look at it... 3 pins are crushed and one broke off...

I CAN NOT believe that just happend to me. please dont tell me that tomorrow morning i have to ask my dad for another CPU? he's gonna kill me

well, if he does, nice knowing you guys i'm going to go to bed and hit myself for a while...

btw: i'm on my server if you were wondering...


what should i replace the cpu with? i'm gonna go downstairs and grab my old celeron 1.8 and see it that works till monday...

let me know, thanks

-Xander =

Man I almost had that happen to me the newer Intel 3.2 775's are so easy to have that happen (so many pins and so small too)

So will it post at all?
I have never had broken pins on a CPU and still have it post so all i can say is i hope that it was just my bad luck lol

otherwise new CPU for you.

it's a gonner, i'm testing my old celeron 1.8 now


edit: my damn 1.8 isnt compatible with my board...


since i need a new CPU now, what one is the best? (under 250)

what are your specs...if its a p4 id say u'd be save replacin it with a P4 3.2 C or a E

what kind of board do u have?

u can get a 3ghz p4 for about 250.

i have a MSI NEO2 - FPISR mobo with a now broken P4-3.0EGhz

i'm thinking about getting an AMD 64 2800+ and (soc 754) and a new mobo (maybe the same one only amd) because that'd be cheaper lol

i'll post a pic of the cpu tommow after i get over the awe of my stupidity

hey guys, i was thinking of just replacing the Mobo and the CPU with:

CPU: AMD 2800+ 512kb lvl2 cache socket 754
mobo: BIOSTAR w/ VIA K8T800 Chipset

or just get another 3.0E OEM? (same price, either the new mobo and CPU or the intel)
would i see a preformance decrease?

current sys specs:
MSI Neo2-FPISR 800FSB sock 478mPGA
Intel 3.0EGhzock 478mPGA
A-Data pc4000 512mb Ram
9600XT 128mb ATI Brand
SB Audigy 2 Platinum

or new:
AMD 64 2800+ sock 754
BIOSTAR w/ VIA K8T800 Chipset 1600FSB
Would my RAM that i have now work with it? - A-Data pc4000 512mb Ram
9600XT 128mb ATI Brand
SB Audigy 2 Platinum

which is better?

-Xander

BTW: my cpu temp now is 15*c considering it's not plugged in anymore

Just about any Athlon64 chip is faster than a 3.0 ghz P4 stock AND you can go 64 whenever you want, so unless you get a better P4, I'd say sell your board and get the Athlon (Gosh, but then you'd have to change your Avatar and Sig!) Your PC4000 ram should work fine. The one tiny prob is that you're shooting for the 754 pin. Be aware that AMD is done with dealing with the 754 pin so don't look forward to any future offerings. Also, only with the 939 pin do you get dual channel memory capability...so make your decision carefully.
Either way however, you'll be faster than your current, or well...ex-current settings LOL....R.I.P P4 3.0E

OH...dying to ask...you're system was running ok before - why'd you go get paste and ... do what you did? Assuming cuz' you were running a lil' hot? or just got bored and decided to scrape off the old and splash on the new?

Oh god that's unlucky dude, this is why I stay away from hardware lol. Isn't there like a warranty for the chip ?

There probably is a warranty with the chip but the warranty would not cover if shadowgate damaged it, it would only cover him if it was sent out faulty.
Ahhh man thats really bad luck! It was nice knowing you bud cuz my god i wouldnt ask my dad lol he'd go ape! lol

MartMoz

Sorry to hear about your processor buddy...
Don't let your dad kill you...

it would be cheaper for you to simply replace the 3.0E ...instead of buying a Athlon64 which will run u 230ish anyways + a mobo - 100-50 ...and the PC4000 DDR likely wont work cause it will fall back to DDR400 (pc3200 speeds) ... so your best luck is to get a 3.0E again...this time get the Retail one with the 3 yr warrenty and be careful next time.

the 3.0E that i have now does have a warranty but i'm not sure if it cover's what happend to it. it was bought retail from newegg. i dont know what i'm going to do yet.

thanks for the advice guys

I doubt the warrenty will cover whats happened to the CPU bud, if you ordered it over the internet or something you could return it and say it was delivered like that? See what they say! :S

MartMoz

you need to call newegg , their real good about RMA's ...ive seen people RMA boards that didnt perform to par or simply broke or messed up after install. Call them, if its under warrenty they will likely send ya a new one..and the only fee u'll probably pay is the RMA fee

I think they see if the pins are crushed or missing before they ship it out lol, and i dont know if they would believe that would happen is shipping. Usally (here in Canada) Hardware has at least a years manufacturers warrenty on it, then if you got any number of years extended warrenty with the store you got it from. And most times they are pretty good with replacing things, ie an overclocked burnt out CPU, but im not sure about this case.

Check arround to see if Newegg, or the compagny claims the responsibility of shipping damage... and then Blame it on them.... I've bent a few pins before too, But I managed to fix them...

I wish you the best of lUck...

these arent just bent, they're cut in half, lol... i'll post some pics in a few minutes when i can find my camera, you can see a broken $200 chip

btw: by dad yelled at me and said we're just going to order a new one tomorrow (i'm paying for 80% of it, lol) as long as i dont tell my mom... lol

edit: adding pic

Nice! At least its only 80% lol

hey do you guys know which pins are the grounding ones on a p4? i could still run it if they were just grounding ones.. anyone know?

I looked on Intels support website and e-mailed them they gave me a link to a PDF That outlines PIN config for the 90nm Chips Including the 3.0E I was looking at the setup and it looks like the pins that are broken are located in the top right corner of the CPU (you would have to take a closer look as i cannot see each PIN only the general area) The layout of the PIN sheet shows the PINS to be the Following

(If its a 2x2 square of PINs broken = 4 total PINS)

Top Right Corner PIN Setup
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PINs ID And Use
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Types Of PINs affected

1. VCC are Power PINs for the processor
2. VSS are ground PINs for the processor and should be connected to the system ground plane
3. VID are Voltage ID pins used to support auto selection of power supply the VID pins are needed to support the processor voltage variations

Sorry to say it looks like all of those are Power Related (however the VSS are ground PINS, AF1 PIN, very top corner)
I did see some on the list that are Coded as Reserved, to bad it wasn't those that broke

Here is the link to the PDF I got from Intel (Pages 40-53 are the most relevent to this)

Hope this Helps, But i dont think the CPU is useable or repareable

well, according to that, i broke a VID4 and a VSS. I put it in my comp, it turned on and screamed "CPU FAILED" again... i think that maybe if the VID4 was still ok, it would have been good. gonna e-mail newegg, see if they're nice enough to RMA it, never know. intel's tech support sucks monkey a$$.

you memory would work fine in an amd 754 setup
i personally get a dfi nf3 250gb, cause right now my kingmax ddr 500 which is worse than your memory at DDR570
id also now get a 939 cause it just owns

if you went with a 939 you could look forward to beating all the DDR 2 667 and such at just ddr 500 with your memory

i'm thinking about just sending it to mobo repair for 30 bucks...

do they do processors

umm yeah...

nice pdf lee_mann. -- expect the worst to happen, treat your pents like a newborn baby. i hear many a flame on bent pent pins. haha. say that 5 times fast.

my bro got the first p4 that i've ever seen in 2001.. 1.7 williamette (he later gave to me) and when he pulled it out of the retail box, the flipping thing flew across the room, hit the tv and landed on the carpet. 10 bent pins, fixed with his driver's license. lol...

i just crushed mine completely...

Thanks o0f, here to help,

yes you may be able to repair/replace those pins on the cpu, never done it before tho (other then just bending them back)

Oh man, Sound's Like bad luck Run's In the Family...
Anyways, If you can get it repaired, you will save alot of money. There is no point buying a new processor until you look into the possibilites... I've bought new hardware a few times, and sometimes it turns out that I didnt even need it... Like my motherboard, or My Monitor...

Bent Pins Suck,

Sorry to be the banshee of doom, but i'd stop 'trying s***' before you f^&k up your board as well. If you go to Pricewatch.com and order, you can get a nice board and an A64 for less than a retail P4. I would not attempt to RMA the proc. to newegg. They are GREAT, BUT they don't f^&k around - if they get the chip and see that it's not a defect but your doing, they will not hesitate to charge you for the replacement they send you, or have you ship them the chip they sent you AND pay for the chip you sent to them back. Cheating never prospers. This isn't like you burnt it out - you broke pins! LOL.
That processor pin repair seems nice but - do you know if you're processor is even working at this point? $40 isn't that much to loose anyway and I suppose it is saving you the cost of a new chip.
Good Luck with your dillemna.

whoever yells the loudest gets the prize. If you persisted enough the company will give in. but not with broken pins

i dropped my processor, cracked the core, had 7 pins broken off and said it was delivered like that and i had no issues with the RMA

but i sent it straight to Intel within a week of it being delivered to me...

Yea, im not sure how long this other procceor had been used for, but im thinking longer then a week. usally if you are quick about it the company is pretty good about replacing the product. Its all about the customer.....or the money lol

i so do not want to spend 180 on a new poc... newegg read my mind and dropped the price 3 bucks!! (lol...)

i hate IDE pins. i can't count how many times i've bent ide pins. i love sata <3. haha i broke my sata connection on a 200 gig tho. too bad warranties don't cover crack heads like me. hard drive was going out after 4 months, i could have had it replaced under warranty. *bangs head on desk*

Sorry to hear about your broken pin P4...

Hey, if you plan to sell it, give me a shout. I think I may have a way to fix broken pin CPU, but I don't have any dead one to try. So, if you are selling it, name me a price and I'll see if I buy it and give it a shot. ;P

Anyway, if you don't know how much to ask for, I don't mind paying for the shipping and then I'll let you know if it can be fixed. But if you don't plan to fix it, I will buy it off you. (If the price is resonable) Afterall, I may not be able to repair such advanced and tiny stuff.

You can email me at calvinte@yahoo.com

Thanks.

You still need me to mail this processor to you Alex? This time I'll put insurance on it

unless you run your own fab or can replace a small a$$ pin exactly how it goes...i doubt u could get it working and keep it functional for very long.

that'd be cool man my trails on homesite, ws_ftp and other stuff are running out and i dont feel like *****ing them

well i got a new 3.0E today... the one oubipaws sent me go lost in the mail and my dad felt bad for me and got me a new one as a suprise, well, not really but, lol, it was nice of him

one thing to beware of, this pissed me off for 30 minutes, the new heatsinks are too tight and wont let some comps post. i had to use my old heatsink 'cause it wouldnt post with my new one lol

thanks for the help guys

~Xander

gonna warn ya man u better get an aftermarket cooler now because the old fan simply cant cool the Prescotts like the stock can or the aftermarkets...that thing is gonna bake if u dont get u an after market cooler like a Zalman

You better put the other on, i know the are tight to get on but you need to find a way i see a burn out coming if you dont

with my old heatsink fan on and some silver 5 it runs 35* idle 45* load

this one of the 775's or 478's?

3.0E is 775

this is a 3.0E 478mPGA
(topic was that i broke a few pins off my old one, 775's dont have pins )

noo leeman they made Prescott's on 478 boards as well... up to 3.2 Ghz I believe...when they moved to the new socket that kinda helped the Prescott's a little but futher revisions made it cooler. It has to be a 775 cause i know the 478 prescotts had bad heat issues.

@ shadow - what core stepping is it

0F41H

this is the cpu... http://www.newegg.com/app/...1&DEPA=0

no no no lol ..take a cpu-z screenie should say family stepping B0 , C2, sumthin like that