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Gsurface
Kinda makes you wonder if this was known all along. Kinda gives it a motive to go to the moon doesn't it. Why else would you spend millions of dollars and risk human life just to say you were the first on the moon. Maybe we knew that the Russians also knew there was this type of energy on the moon, and we decided to claim it first, make you kinda wonder. >> http://www.htnext.com/news/5922_1124749,001500230000.htm
Singh400
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A potential gas source found on the moon’s surface could hold the key to meeting future energy demands as the earth’s fossil fuels dry up in the coming decades, scientists said on Friday.

Mineral samples from the moon contained abundant quantities of Helium 3, a variant of the gas used in lasers and refrigerators as well as to blow up balloons.

“When compared to the earth, the moon has a tremendous amount of Helium 3,” said Lawrence Taylor, a director of the US Planetary Geosciences Institute, Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences. “When Helium 3 combines with deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen), the fusion proceeds at a very high temperature and it can produce awesome amounts of energy,” Taylor said.

“Just 25 tonnes of helium, which can be transported on a space shuttle, is enough to provide electricity for the US for one year,” said Taylor, who is in Udaipur to attend a global conference on moon exploration.

Helium 3 is deposited on the lunar surface by solar winds and would have to be extracted from moon soil and rocks.  Some 200 million tonnes of lunar soil would produce one tonne of helium, only 10 kilos of helium are available on earth.


It's all very nice, but let's face at the rate techonlogy is changing one can only imagine the amounts of power we are going to consume and need, to make it run future technology!

Edit* Made the sentence make sense lol
nvyseal4u
interesting G, but do you think we would be distroying the moon by harvesting its gas?

On the lighter side of things, Why dont those scientists tap my girlfriends "moon gas"! heck, shes got enough to run a small city for months!! laugh.gif
Gsurface
QUOTE(nvyseal4u @ Nov 27 2004, 06:12 PM)
interesting G, but do you think we would be distroying the moon by harvesting its gas?

On the lighter side of things, Why dont those scientists tap my girlfriends "moon gas"! heck, shes got enough to run a small city for months!! laugh.gif
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mfr_lol.gif , ohhh man, good one.
thexfile
Lets go to the Moon and pull my finger laugh.gif
Outcast
Why so bad if we have no moon?
trotskythehero
If there was no moon just think of all those songs that would no longer make any sense - Moon River, Blue Moon etc - and there'd be no more mooning. What the hell would the drunken rugby players do on Saturday nights then? mf_w00t2.gif

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nvyseal4u
QUOTE(trotskythehero @ Nov 27 2004, 12:09 PM)
What the hell would the drunken rugby players do on Saturday nights then? mf_w00t2.gif

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Uranus? blush.gif mf_w00t2.gif wink.gif
Singh400
QUOTE(nvyseal4u @ Nov 27 2004, 09:17 PM)
QUOTE(trotskythehero @ Nov 27 2004, 12:09 PM)
What the hell would the drunken rugby players do on Saturday nights then? mf_w00t2.gif

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Uranus? blush.gif mf_w00t2.gif wink.gif
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LMFAO LMFAO roll1.gif mfr_lol.gif laugh.gif
pelican
if there was no moon the oceans on earth will get messed up
Singh400
QUOTE(pelican @ Nov 28 2004, 12:23 AM)
if there was no moon the oceans on earth will get messed up
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Too be more specific the tides that roll the oceans will stop, therefore the ocean(s) across the the earth would just sit the doing nothing. That means surfers have to get a job laugh.gif
BlueScreenOfDeath
and no reason to go to the beach nemore.. i dont think they'll do this...we can find other forms of energy
matt56la
i think this is kinda like one of those solution ideas, i dont think they will take from the moon unless they absolutly have to. Taking from the moon could cause alot of damage to our planet.
BlueScreenOfDeath
besides our planet will be wasted away so far that we'll be livin on the moon anyways lol
matt56la
I doubt that.... I dont think we will ever live on the moon, not in my life time anyways.
OutlandishTrendz
Energy Sapped earth? We dont even harness the full potential of the earth as is, wind and tide current can turn generators, so cut on the burning of coal. Ethanol can replace gasoline ie oil. Natural gas is the only thing I can think of that doesnt have a real replacement out there that i know of.
thexfile
Earth it self can be used as a generator...
Some time ago an experiment was done where a copper line was hung out the space shuttle bay, so much power was generated the line burned causing the main systems to fail on the shuttle. Hey had to fall back on secondary systems to land.

Now with newly found cracks in the protective magnetic bubble around Earth solar winds could be caught and used to make power.
thewinwizard
I can see it happening, but not anytime soon. What are they gonna do, build a pipeline? mf_w00t2.gif
trotskythehero
QUOTE(OutlandishTrendz @ Nov 28 2004, 06:21 AM)
Energy Sapped earth? We dont even harness the full potential of the earth as is, wind and tide current can turn generators, so cut on the burning of coal. Ethanol can replace gasoline ie oil. Natural gas is the only thing I can think of that doesnt have a real replacement out there that i know of.
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Natural Gas is methane and it is being burnt in power stations, in part, as a substitute for coal and oil - at least in Britain that's the case - because it is cheaper than coal or oil and the power stations are cheaper to build. In this case any fuel used to generate electricity will substitute for it.

Preferably we need a fuel that is clean (no greenhouse gas emmisions or other airborne polutants), readily available and with minimal cleanup costs (environmental and financial). The only fuel that meets all of these criteria is hydrogen. The oceans are full of it and burning it only produces water.

Hydrogen fuel cells are already available but they are expensive and the power and fuel companies are dragging their feet in developing them for the mass market because it is still cheaper and more profitable for them to promote fossil fuels.

For mains power, hydrogen fusion is obviously the way to go. There are currently plans to build an international experimental fusion reactor, but the main governments in the main power blocks, the EU, US, Russia and Japan, can't agree where to build the thing. sigh.gif

While the oil, and fuel, companies control the development of alternative energy supplies things ain't gonna change. They will always choose the short term profits above the long term needs of the planet!

(And that will go for moon as well if they get their grubby fingers on it.)

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GCNaddict
QUOTE(OutlandishTrendz @ Nov 28 2004, 06:21 AM)
Energy Sapped earth? We dont even harness the full potential of the earth as is, wind and tide current can turn generators, so cut on the burning of coal. Ethanol can replace gasoline ie oil. Natural gas is the only thing I can think of that doesnt have a real replacement out there that i know of.
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send miners to titan.

and if you dont feel like doing that, then we can make a brilliant 1-time-only fireworks display by pumping oxygen onto titan's surface! mf_w00t2.gif

and then we'd light a match...
angelus18
QUOTE(GCNaddict @ Nov 28 2004, 06:33 PM)
QUOTE(OutlandishTrendz @ Nov 28 2004, 06:21 AM)
Energy Sapped earth? We dont even harness the full potential of the earth as is, wind and tide current can turn generators, so cut on the burning of coal. Ethanol can replace gasoline ie oil. Natural gas is the only thing I can think of that doesnt have a real replacement out there that i know of.
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send miners to titan.

and if you dont feel like doing that, then we can make a brilliant 1-time-only fireworks display by pumping oxygen onto titan's surface! mf_w00t2.gif

and then we'd light a match...
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Seriously though, i wonder how long it would take to burn all titans fule if there was oxygen and somone through a match! headhurts.gif

And back to the energy topic!

I read that 1 day of the suns energy could generated enough power to everyones homes all over the world for 1 year! But we don't have the technology to capture this energy!

I wish we could, i could power my server 24/7 without worrying about the electric bill! cool2.gif
BlueScreenOfDeath
thats exactly why they wont do that ...pretty much eliminates the electric company
Neoprimal
Yeah, BSOD is correct. There are many alternatives to burning fossil fuels, unfortunately....most of these alternatives are home-based or KNOWN to be extremely easy and cheap. Some only require a one-time setup, others are like selling bread (how much profit can you make from bread before someone gets angry?) - this would be meaning either the end of 'usage' charging or the end of being able to charge out the wazoo to harvest, process, refine and burn the fuel.
They need to find a fuel they can 'supply' or, lets say 'own the supply of' and justify charging the amount they want to charge for it in order to keep carrying on and well; sunlight for one just won't cut it since they can't charge you for the energy coming from the sun (or can they? oooeeeeooo). Likewise, other alternatives are also too cheap and they can't justify charging a sufficiently profit making amount for it's supply.
Not a conspiracy theory or anything, just plain common sense and fact.
If you go through news archives and such you'll see where leaps in technology have made for all these alternatives, but after a while you don't hear about it anymore....wonder why?

Edit: Back to Moon 'Gas'.

This whole moon gas thing is EXACTLY what they need. Not only is it far out but they can definately charge an arm, leg and limb if they said they had to 'fly to the moon' to get it, not to mention what the fusion process possibly entails and the whole harevsting 200 tonnes, and transporting 25 - think about it? Let it be done and we'll hear "Gosh, 25 tonnes doesn't exactly cut it for 1 year, we'll need another 25".
It's funny...I'm somewhat of a viewer of Star Trek, and that's what the ships run on, a fusion of Deoterium (sp*) and something else, I didn't even know it really existed.
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