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nokio
I just read something interesting. Everyone knows that the war is expensive. But how much did it cost for the war against Iraq??

70346735434 dollars

The figures of the meter ravel at intervals of hell. They roll at a rate of 250000 the minute

Man that amount of money could of gone somewhere else ... more important ... like education.... etc...

A group of engineers of MIT are calculating it on their website

www.costofwar.com

Click on the link and you could see in what way that money could of change things
beta-guy
I just found that site lastnight, I think it's an excellent site that makes a point about this war, and future wars to come, you know, for a country that was made by the people for the people, the people don't really get a say in wether or not there is a war lol yet you pay the taxes for those wars lol
BlueScreenOfDeath
such is the cost of freedom... i support what the troops do and all because they have no control over it..they are asked to go and they cant say anything they gotta go...Bush on the other hand has managed to start 2 unnecessary wars ... like afganistan really posed a threat... send special troops in and let them find bin laden dont bomb the hell out of them because the people are "oppressed" ...thats been his excuse the whole time now that WMD's havent been found...i thought he had a lil more sense to have the evidence at hand instead of sayin hes got them and then endin up havin no proof. Thanks to these 2 wars... and say each were 70 billion a piece... thats 140 billion that could have more than stimulated our economy, helped education in many states and provided tax relief for the middle class instead of giving the cuts to the rich...
Unwonted
Since I'm in the US Air Force myself (two years now!), I must say that I greatly appreaciate your support for our troops, Blue!

The war in Iraq is expensive, yes. There has never been any war in history that would have been called cheap. The war in Iraq is somewhat strategic, though. We are bleeding freedom into a country that has never seen it, and this horrifies the Arab leaders who until now had enjoyed total control over the bodies and minds of their people. Slowly, the other dictatorships are being shamed into giving out these freedoms that their common folk of Arab nations now see Iraq getting. The citizens have discovered that they have been lied to ("The Americans have not taken Saddam Hussein Airport!" for example lol).

Free Arab nations will not show us hostilities. They are not a threat. Every time freedom enters into a nation, so does intelligence, learning, and peace. No first-world nations make war with each other. Could you see Germany bombing Belgium ever again? This price is the prevention of future war, and it also sends the Arabs a message: You will not win against us, so let's not have a costly war. Do it our way.

Saves us money and lives down the road! I am confident I will not have to die in the desert when I go this winter.
benwalburg
I consider the cost ,but would much rather have freedom, or freedom and saftey to other people and nations...So in this, I fully support the actions we are taking in IRAQ
BlueScreenOfDeath
QUOTE(HandyBuddy @ Jul 12 2003, 12:03 PM)
Since I'm in the US Air Force myself (two years now!), I must say that I greatly appreaciate your support for our troops, Blue!

The war in Iraq is expensive, yes. There has never been any war in history that would have been called cheap. The war in Iraq is somewhat strategic, though. We are bleeding freedom into a country that has never seen it, and this horrifies the Arab leaders who until now had enjoyed total control over the bodies and minds of their people. Slowly, the other dictatorships are being shamed into giving out these freedoms that their common folk of Arab nations now see Iraq getting. The citizens have discovered that they have been lied to ("The Americans have not taken Saddam Hussein Airport!" for example lol).

Free Arab nations will not show us hostilities. They are not a threat. Every time freedom enters into a nation, so does intelligence, learning, and peace. No first-world nations make war with each other. Could you see Germany bombing Belgium ever again? This price is the prevention of future war, and it also sends the Arabs a message: You will not win against us, so let's not have a costly war. Do it our way.

Saves us money and lives down the road! I am confident I will not have to die in the desert when I go this winter.

i hope ur time there passes quickly cause we need yall at home more than anything ...yes i do believe that us giving iraq new found freedom is great...but our president doesnt need to make up a reason to start a war : IE: WMD's when there hasnt been any found. sleep.gif
beta-guy
well I hear you and alots of Americans even Bush talking abuot bringin Democracy to Iraq, thnking that Democracy is the prefect form of Government, and the simple fact of the matter if you can force democracy on the people. Democracy has to be created by the people, if we were force "democracy" on Iraq like Bush is trying to do, we'll end up with somehitn Russia has where they are just election who the next communist will be! the problem is Iraq will still have a dictator, who can stilll kill the civilians, but he'll be democraticly elected! that's more danergerous then how Saddam was running things, because you don't know how Iraq will set up Democracy, maybe the Elected leader will see who didn't vote for him, and "correct the situation" byt killiong millions of people who wanted another person to lead them!. not to mention, as Blue Stated the leader of America has created 2 unnessesary wars, that cost Americans a total of 140 billion Dollars. what kind of Democracy is that? not to mention Bush never got elected remember how he use the legal system to force himself as leader? how can he force Democracy on Iraq when he doesn't believe in it himself? at least Hitler got Elected!

P.S. Sorry if this message offend it's not my intent, but rather to show you truths that not many people think about, and in today's world we need to see al of the truth no matter how much that may hurt.
Unwonted
Democracy isn't the perfect form of government--a republic is wink.gif Democracy is five men and one woman on an island voting on the legalization of rape. In a republic, you have a constitution that declares rape illegal regardless of vote. That's what people always seem to misunderstand.

And the Bush-Gore decision has been argued often enough, and I'm weary of hearing it. I'm outta this thread. Hitler is better than Bush...bah! Mind your tongue--you don't know what you're saying. Hitler exterminated six million people because he didn't like their ancestry. Are you saying you would rather have him? Your comparison is ludicrous, Beta-Guy

Was Kosovo's civil war necessary? Ever see Black Hawk down? All presidents, regardless of party affiliation, get us into wars that appear unnecessary. This isn't always the case. There are purposes that you often never see, and won't, because it's in the interest of nation security for those reasons to remain secret.
beta-guy
from that explanation a republic sounds like a dictatorship where one just dictates what will happen. I'm not saying I'd rather have Hitler as president, I just ust stating that hitler has respect for the democratic process. Kosovo's war, I don't know the specifics on, but I firmly believe that when it come to foriegn internal fighting, Americ and the western world should butt out! if the government that forms from the in fighting becomes the new NAZI Germany or something, then fine start the war, but the reason American presidents like to start wars is because America is proud of thier military, the people in America say they want world peace, but America's actions speak louder because funding keeps going to the military! I also believe that Bush is trying to establish what his Daddy wanted. the New World Order, he is placing his troops in forieng Countries to enforce Pax Americana (The American Peace) basically Peace through Power, I wouldn't be surprised if America thinks they can take on the world and dictate what will happen. I fear this NWO, but I so see that Europe is starting initiatives to replace America, American organiations. so Europe might also be trying to create thier own NWO BUsh and the EU leaders might be having a strugle to see who owns the worl as we speak.

I know you all doubt this, but wait and watch, I even have a darft for the World Consitiution, Earth will be known as the Federation of Earth if this Draft becomes legit!

Update: WCPA Constitution for the Federation of Earth
nokio
I must agree with Beta-guy, his thought reflects mines. What i believe is that bush is trying to accomplish what his father failed to do. Look, there's not a single proof up to now that Iraq had weapons the US were talking about. In my point of view they were just excuses to bring down saddam. I even believe that the 911 situation was the act of the US. They had to do something big to path there way into NWO. I think US are just trying to take over the world, one by one...exactly wait and see....wait and see.

I know i might have vexed some people ... but it's a free country ...
Ali_ms52
I think attack to saddam was excuses to USA get into the middle east, and take controll of the gas,soon USA will attack to Iran and some other arab country.
Just think about this why USA dunt attack Saudi Arabia??? most of the terrorists are from there.
They dunt attack them them cuz they are using their gas, now they want to control more arabs countries. and attack to Iraq was good excuse to bring their air force and ships in the middle of the persian gulf.

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I know i might have vexed some people ... but it's a free country ...

Agree
BlueScreenOfDeath
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Just think about this why USA dunt attack Saudi Arabia


Because they sell us a s*** load of Oil thats why...they are our friend... notice Saudi Arabia is the only wealthy country other than Israel in the middle east.

This is what War has cost:

WW1 - TOTAL: 8,500,000 (everyone)
Russian Civil War - 8,800,000 (Everyone)
WW2 - [TOTAL (1937-45): 84,609,000]
Hitler - 35,000,000 deaths
Korean War - TOTAL: 1,333,060 killed + 1,067,740 missing
Vietnam War - 51,667 Americans.

That there is what war has done for us...139,361,467 People Dead ..thats the cost of war ...2.3% of the world population thats dead cause of wars
Ali_ms52
QUOTE(BlueScreenOfDeath @ Jul 12 2003, 08:26 PM)
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Just think about this why USA dunt attack Saudi Arabia


Because they sell us a s*** load of Oil thats why...they are our friend... notice Saudi Arabia is the only wealthy country other than Israel in the middle east.


Friend??you call them friend cuz they selling oil to USA??do you now most of the terrorists are from Saudi Arabia.(like setp 11)
tc17
I have been against this war since the very begining. It started out that the reason for attacking them was weapons of mass destruction... then out of the blue, after the war starts, it turns into "operation iraqi freedom".

Bush is just now being proven the liar he is. Its discovered he lied about any chemical weapons Iraq tried to obtain. Just to obtain support to murder people in another country. Even a top intelligence officer said Bush lied about that roaming chemical lab... there was never any proof or evidence that it was a mobile chemical lab.

Its also reported that after the war, it is now costing us 4 billion per month. And its expected we will have to be there for years. And you can only imagine how many more of our troops will end up getting killed over this whole stupid thing. Then of course we have our stupid president enticing the enemy by telling them to "bring it on".

Bush is a warmonger.
BlueScreenOfDeath
QUOTE(Ali_ms52 @ Jul 12 2003, 09:24 PM)
QUOTE(BlueScreenOfDeath @ Jul 12 2003, 08:26 PM)
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Just think about this why USA dunt attack Saudi Arabia


Because they sell us a s*** load of Oil thats why...they are our friend... notice Saudi Arabia is the only wealthy country other than Israel in the middle east.


Friend??you call them friend cuz they selling oil to USA??do you now most of the terrorists are from Saudi Arabia.(like setp 11)

lol uh Most of the Terrorist resided in Egypt Ali... ph34r.gif
Ali_ms52
QUOTE(BlueScreenOfDeath @ Jul 13 2003, 01:44 AM)
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Friend??you call them friend cuz they selling oil to USA??do you now most of the terrorists are from Saudi Arabia.(like setp 11)

lol uh Most of the Terrorist resided in Egypt Ali... ph34r.gif

hmm i dunt think so man dry.gif
BlueScreenOfDeath
1/3 or more of the terrorist on the hijacked planes on 9/11 were from Egypt Ali ... dont think intelligence lies..well sometimes but in this case their background info leads back to egypt and Lybia and a few from Saudi Arabia and Afganistan
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